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. >> president obama and speaker boehner sounding upbeat friday about prospects for cutting a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff. we are back with the panel. after the congressional leaders and the president met at the white house on friday the rhetoric was reassuring. the question is is it real? do you get the sense, bob, that really do see or are beginning to see a path to a compromise are they they just trying to calm nervous investors because the stock market is going down a thousand points? >> everyone is nervous about this. this is kind of the last chance. the next six weeks could be six weeks that shook the united states if they don't fix this. there clearly is a new mood, but the way they are going to solve this is kind of hostage exchange. in other words, the republicans are determined not to let tax rates go up. the president is determined or is determined to get more revenue. and it's possible to do this. the president is going along, it seems, with some idea of entitlement reform that we are going to actually cut spending. but this is, you know, they are going to have to -- th
. >> president obama and speaker boehner sounding upbeat friday about prospects for cutting a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff. we are back with the panel. after the congressional leaders and the president met at the white house on friday the rhetoric was reassuring. the question is is it real? do you get the sense, bob, that really do see or are beginning to see a path to a compromise are they they just trying to calm nervous investors because the stock market is going down a thousand...
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. >> chris: president obama and speaker boehner sounding up beat friday about prospects for cutting a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff and we're back now with the panel. so, after the president and congressional leaders met at the white house, on friday, the rhetoric was reassuring, the question is, is it real? do you get any sense, bob and this is the subject of your new book, that they really do see, are beginning to see a path to a compromise or are they trying to reassure nervous consumers before the christmas holidays and, investors because the stock market is done a thousand points. >> everyone is nervous about this. this is the last chance and the next six weeks could be six weeks that shook the united states if they don't fix this. there clearly is a new mood but the way they'll solve this, is kind of hostage exchange, in other words, the republicans are determined not to let tax rates go up and the president is determined or is determined to get more revenue and, it is possible to do this and the president is going along, it seems, with it some idea of entitlement reform, that
. >> chris: president obama and speaker boehner sounding up beat friday about prospects for cutting a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff and we're back now with the panel. so, after the president and congressional leaders met at the white house, on friday, the rhetoric was reassuring, the question is, is it real? do you get any sense, bob and this is the subject of your new book, that they really do see, are beginning to see a path to a compromise or are they trying to reassure nervous...
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john boehner is pulled by two groups. one he does not want to be obstructionist not to allow tax cuts for lower group to go through and doesn't want tax cuts to go through. he is pulled on that side and by his own party. what i hope is that the vast majority of the republicans hold true and if some of the republicans peel off, i would, that would be fine. if they pushed through obama's bill, but i do not want to see them punished. but the republicans need to have this position for 2014 and the rest of 2013 when the economy goes in the garbage dump. republicans are right. bill: two more quick questions on this. >> sure. bill: when these congressional leaders speak, what sort of code words should we be listening for today? >> well i don't know what they would say to each other but on the outside, using the word rates left revenues and that type of stuff are code words especially coming from the president. if he talks about raising revenues and does not insist on it being rates there is a good compromise possible. if he forc
john boehner is pulled by two groups. one he does not want to be obstructionist not to allow tax cuts for lower group to go through and doesn't want tax cuts to go through. he is pulled on that side and by his own party. what i hope is that the vast majority of the republicans hold true and if some of the republicans peel off, i would, that would be fine. if they pushed through obama's bill, but i do not want to see them punished. but the republicans need to have this position for 2014 and the...
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speaker boehner tapped paul ryan to help get his party in line ahead of deficit talks. where in the world is eric cantor? we will talk with luke russert and martin bashir about whether or not the gop can get its frogs in the wheel barrow. >> "new york times" national editor sam sifton says why you shouldn't think about serving salad or anything before the big meal. all of that when "now" starts in a mere 180 seconds. [ male announcer ] if you suffer from heartburn 2 or more days a week, why use temporary treatments when you can prevent the acid that's causing it with prevacid24hr. with one pill prevacid24hr works at the source to prevent the acid that causes frequent heartburn all day and all night. and with new prevacid24hr perks, you can earn rewards from dinner deals to music downloads for purchasing prevacid24hr. prevent acid all day and all night for 24 hours with prevacid24hr. i heard you guys can ship ground for less than the ups store. that's right. i've learned the only way to get a holiday deal is to camp out. you know we've been open all night. is this a tric
speaker boehner tapped paul ryan to help get his party in line ahead of deficit talks. where in the world is eric cantor? we will talk with luke russert and martin bashir about whether or not the gop can get its frogs in the wheel barrow. >> "new york times" national editor sam sifton says why you shouldn't think about serving salad or anything before the big meal. all of that when "now" starts in a mere 180 seconds. [ male announcer ] if you suffer from heartburn 2 or...
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apparently john boehner didn't get the memo. this is "the ed show." let's get to work. >> we have seen people talk about a possible compromise. is that something that's accepted? >> no. >> democrats aren't budging. the union breaks news on my radio show. >> how will you feel if the bush tax cuts expired across the board and we started over with the obama tax cuts? >> i think that would be acceptable. >> former labor secretary robert rush and bill pascrell on the latest movement on the fight for the middle class. >> a judge orders mediation for hostess and its employees. but make no mistake, the vulture capitalists will get their cut. i'll talk twinkie. >>> plus john mccain continues to spiral out of control over benghazi. >> the chickens are now coming home to roost. >> the banks revolt against elizabeth warren. >>> and workers are threatening strikes at walmart stores across america. >> we expect our associates to do their job. >> josh ed elson has the latest on the workers versus walmart. >>> good to have you with us. thanks for watching. democratic
apparently john boehner didn't get the memo. this is "the ed show." let's get to work. >> we have seen people talk about a possible compromise. is that something that's accepted? >> no. >> democrats aren't budging. the union breaks news on my radio show. >> how will you feel if the bush tax cuts expired across the board and we started over with the obama tax cuts? >> i think that would be acceptable. >> former labor secretary robert rush and bill...
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boehner. is it any different, or is this just about, i don't know, smoke and mirrors? >> well, i think the atmosphere is certainly different as you mentioned. in the past, these guys would go back to capitol hill and put out competing statements about what went on during the meetings. you saw what happened last year during the debt ceiling negotiations. this time it was one big happy family. there certainly seems to be some sort of recognition on the part of how fed up american people with sort of the seeing this game of chicken being played at such a high stakes time. i think there is certainly, after this election, there is kind of a let's get down to business. let's see if we can get this thing done. whether that can translate -- david just said, the biggest sticking point, taxes on the wealthy is still on the table. you can sing happy birthday to john boehner as much as you want. gwen: he would still say no. >> absolutely. i think it's really premature to try to predict what is going to ha
boehner. is it any different, or is this just about, i don't know, smoke and mirrors? >> well, i think the atmosphere is certainly different as you mentioned. in the past, these guys would go back to capitol hill and put out competing statements about what went on during the meetings. you saw what happened last year during the debt ceiling negotiations. this time it was one big happy family. there certainly seems to be some sort of recognition on the part of how fed up american people...
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president obama state what his position is, which honestly everyone already knows and house speaker john boehner stated what his feeling is on dealing with the fiscal cliff. and that sort of perfunctory here's my position sort of gave way to a back and forth between these two leaders. nothing was settled, but the tone was reportedly good and both republicans and democrats in the room seemed aware this would come down to dealing with tax reform and entitlement reform, and the source told me when the president raised the issue of increasing revenue, there was no, "no, we're not going to do that" from republicans, and when republicans talked about entitlement reform, the president agreed that was something that has to be done. >> well, it sounds good, but do you think when it comes down to the brass tacks both sides are actually ready to bend a bit? >> reporter: i think they're ready to bend than they were going into that whole debacle that was the debt situation. there are some specifics that need to be sorted out for sure, exactly how to raise revenue. as you know, democrats would like to raise t
president obama state what his position is, which honestly everyone already knows and house speaker john boehner stated what his feeling is on dealing with the fiscal cliff. and that sort of perfunctory here's my position sort of gave way to a back and forth between these two leaders. nothing was settled, but the tone was reportedly good and both republicans and democrats in the room seemed aware this would come down to dealing with tax reform and entitlement reform, and the source told me when...
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here's speaker boehner on the chances of cutting a deal. here it is. >> if you've looked closely at what the president had to say and look closely at what i have had to say, you know, there are no barriers here to sitting down and beginning to work through this process. >> ruth conniff, i really don't know what that means. do you? >> it makes me nervous because i don't really want to see us moving that close to boehner. and, you know, it's interesting. i talked to economist dean baker, he's the economist in america who showed that the housing bubble was a threat back in 2002. before it actually popped in 2005. he has a lot of credibility. he said the best deal might be no deal. if obama can go into these negotiations and say this fiscal cliff is not going to impact people on january 2nd, it's recessionary, but he could get the two main things he campaigned on, even if there's no deal, which is an instant hike on the very rich and no touching of social security, medicare and medicaid. then the republicans just as e.j. points out would have t
here's speaker boehner on the chances of cutting a deal. here it is. >> if you've looked closely at what the president had to say and look closely at what i have had to say, you know, there are no barriers here to sitting down and beginning to work through this process. >> ruth conniff, i really don't know what that means. do you? >> it makes me nervous because i don't really want to see us moving that close to boehner. and, you know, it's interesting. i talked to economist...
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creeding to john boehner's authority, let be john boehner negotiate this deal. all speculation he will not get involved in the same level. certainly he will be briefed and make his opinions known but he's not going to try to tell john boehner you cannot get this through the conference. look at it from a broad perspective, from folks i've spoken to, eric cantor is thinking like this -- general belief and consensus is if the gop wants to get in 2014 that boehner will most likely walk away in 2016. if cantor can be a dutiful lieutenant until then he could until 2016 if the house republicans win with redistricting and the margins they have which looks possible, he could achieve his dream of becoming the first jewish speaker of the house. no reason to try to ascertain and go higher up like he did in 2011 which left a negative impression of him in a lot of folks' opinions. it's going to be interesting to see if he, in fact, does stay back and credes to boehner's authorities. from all the conversation that's what he seems to be doing. >> i love the mixed messages here.
creeding to john boehner's authority, let be john boehner negotiate this deal. all speculation he will not get involved in the same level. certainly he will be briefed and make his opinions known but he's not going to try to tell john boehner you cannot get this through the conference. look at it from a broad perspective, from folks i've spoken to, eric cantor is thinking like this -- general belief and consensus is if the gop wants to get in 2014 that boehner will most likely walk away in...
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after the election, boehner said okay, have some revenue. the president has moved the goalpostsment and said it isn't just revenue. it those be a specific kind. my liberal base -- >> chris: wait. he did mention this once or twice in the campaign. >> but the question is are you going to stick on what you campaign on or find a compromise in the end? if you are looking for votes in congress -- boehner may be able to get enough to go along and do a deal to get revenue from closing the deductions and loopholes. he is not going to get the people to go along raising rates. there is the rhetoric the president engaged in on the campaign and then there is reality of washington. he is going to have to compromise on that to some degree if he wants a deal. >> chris: so does he have to compromise or do republicans compromise? >> first, i don't understand where the republicans think they have leverage here. you have seen that in tent whichs not just by boehner but people elsewhere. re-knew saying okay, we are going to let there be more revenue. but the pre
after the election, boehner said okay, have some revenue. the president has moved the goalpostsment and said it isn't just revenue. it those be a specific kind. my liberal base -- >> chris: wait. he did mention this once or twice in the campaign. >> but the question is are you going to stick on what you campaign on or find a compromise in the end? if you are looking for votes in congress -- boehner may be able to get enough to go along and do a deal to get revenue from closing the...
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speaker john boehner didn't want anything to do with it. the revenue problem can be solved by modernizing the postal service. bernie sanders says this is what we can do about it. >> the postal service has to change. it has to be entrepreneurial. much more pro-consumer. in our state, we have many rural post offices. people want to go there to get letters copied. can't do that. they want to get letters, notarized, against the law. there are many areas the postal service can bring in substantially more revenue. >> and this is breaking news. no tax dollars go to the operation of the postal service. that's right. zero dollars. these solutions are simple, but republicans are against helping the post office because they want to see it eliminated, bust the union, privatize it. the longer nothing is done, more jobs are lost. the postal service has plans to close 260 post offices around the country. this means that an additional jobs at risk if nothing is done. republicans in action on this issue is actually shameless. they have had all year to come
speaker john boehner didn't want anything to do with it. the revenue problem can be solved by modernizing the postal service. bernie sanders says this is what we can do about it. >> the postal service has to change. it has to be entrepreneurial. much more pro-consumer. in our state, we have many rural post offices. people want to go there to get letters copied. can't do that. they want to get letters, notarized, against the law. there are many areas the postal service can bring in...
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i want to say, tamron, that it was house speaker john boehner's birthday. president obama gave him a bottle of wine. >> kristen, you spoimed it. we were going to show that later. rats. really, kristen welker? >> caller: so, sorry. >> i have something else to ask you about. i'm just giving you grief. the civic meeting is taking place, the reverend al, the national action network, and he's meeting with civic leaders. is he prepares some on the letter r left for concessions or things they may not like that comes out of these negotiations? >> reporter: well, i think it's both. i think it's that he's trying to prepare some on the left for concessions. he's trying to build up really his strength to be able to put pressure on republicans to come to the table with him over taxes. president obama meeting with with union leaders early this week, also business leaders, so he's really trying to form a broad consensus, i think, to put pressure on republicans and democrats to get something done, to actually get something accomplished before that january 1st deadline. tam
i want to say, tamron, that it was house speaker john boehner's birthday. president obama gave him a bottle of wine. >> kristen, you spoimed it. we were going to show that later. rats. really, kristen welker? >> caller: so, sorry. >> i have something else to ask you about. i'm just giving you grief. the civic meeting is taking place, the reverend al, the national action network, and he's meeting with civic leaders. is he prepares some on the letter r left for concessions or...
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speaker john boehner didn't want anything to do with it. the revenue problem can be solved by modernizing the postal service. bernie sanders says this is what we can do about it. . >> the postal service has to change. it has to be entrepreneurial. much more pro-consumer. in our state, we have many rural post offices. people want to go there to get letters copied. can't do that. they want to get letters, notarized, against the law. there are many areas the postal service can bring in substantially more revenue. >> and this is breaking news. no tax dollars go to the operation of the postal service. that's right. zero dollars. these solutions are simple, but republicans are against helping the post office because they want to see it eliminated, bust the union, privatize it. the longer nothing is done, more jobs are lost. the postal service has plans to close 260 post offices around the country. this means that an additional that's at risk if nothing is done. republicans in action on this issue is actually shameless. they have had all year to c
speaker john boehner didn't want anything to do with it. the revenue problem can be solved by modernizing the postal service. bernie sanders says this is what we can do about it. . >> the postal service has to change. it has to be entrepreneurial. much more pro-consumer. in our state, we have many rural post offices. people want to go there to get letters copied. can't do that. they want to get letters, notarized, against the law. there are many areas the postal service can bring in...
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speaker john boehner didn't want anything to do with it. the revenue problem can be solved by modernizing the postal service. bernie sanders says this is what we can do about it. >> the postal service has to change. it has to be entrepreneurial. much more pro-consumer. in our state, we have many rural post offices. people want to go there to get letters copied. can't do that. they want to get letters, notarized, against the law. there are many areas the postal service can bring in substantially more revenue. >> and this is breaking news. no tax dollars go to the operation of the postal service. that's right. zero dollars. these solutions are simple, but republicans are against helping the post office because they want to see it eliminated, bust the union, privatize it. the longer nothing is done, more jobs are lost. the postal service has plans to close 260 post offices around the country. this means that an additional jobs at risk if nothing is done. republicans in action on this issue is actually shameless. they have had all year to come
speaker john boehner didn't want anything to do with it. the revenue problem can be solved by modernizing the postal service. bernie sanders says this is what we can do about it. >> the postal service has to change. it has to be entrepreneurial. much more pro-consumer. in our state, we have many rural post offices. people want to go there to get letters copied. can't do that. they want to get letters, notarized, against the law. there are many areas the postal service can bring in...
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the reason is you look at what boehner said. boehner was for a deal last year. we have to figure out what does eric cantor think, what does michele bachmann think, what does rand paul think? john bainer is the leader of the republican party in name, but he often is not leading them in policy. unless we know obama $1 trillion in tax increases, i'm not sure that rush limbaugh is for that right now. until we know that other conservatives outside of john boehner support that idea, it's hard to see where the compromise is. so i think i'm not optimistic either about where we are right now. >> just to jump in, i would echo that. sometimes we analyze these guys like boehner is the ceo. and that may be the case, but he has a board of directors. he's got other stakeholders to deal with. and we've got to see some movement from them if that bipartisanship that you were talking about in the beginning, mara, if that's going to go anywhere. >> i'm sorry, go ahead. >> i would just point out there was real skepticism about whether boehner could deliver a deal with the debt ceili
the reason is you look at what boehner said. boehner was for a deal last year. we have to figure out what does eric cantor think, what does michele bachmann think, what does rand paul think? john bainer is the leader of the republican party in name, but he often is not leading them in policy. unless we know obama $1 trillion in tax increases, i'm not sure that rush limbaugh is for that right now. until we know that other conservatives outside of john boehner support that idea, it's hard to see...
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boehner has indicated he's putting revenues on the table. that makes it possible for us to begin the very difficult discussion about what revenues and how do you get them and what cuts and how do you make them. so we have a lot of work to do. at least the framework is some greater possibility for a positive outcome. >> last time around, republicans insisted that any new increases in revenue must be off-set by a lowering of tax rates. are you encouraged by the gop's apparent new willingness to accept a more balanced approach? >> i'm very much encouraged by it. that is what made it impossible for us to even have discussions at all up until the election results came in. as you know, president obama ran on a very explicit platform of restoring the clinton area tax rates for folks above $250,000. romney explicitly ran against that. exit polls showed half the folks who voted for romney in fact supported the obama position on taxes. the other thing that's important to keep in mind, we -- our congress actually has made a trillion and a half dollars
boehner has indicated he's putting revenues on the table. that makes it possible for us to begin the very difficult discussion about what revenues and how do you get them and what cuts and how do you make them. so we have a lot of work to do. at least the framework is some greater possibility for a positive outcome. >> last time around, republicans insisted that any new increases in revenue must be off-set by a lowering of tax rates. are you encouraged by the gop's apparent new...
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and they knew that boehner was going to be a dealmaker with the president. so even the hard liners may have read the election returns, and i think even the hard liners don't be responsible for a tax increase. >> not only boehner, even mcconnell. let me show you this, michelle. mcconnell and boehner had a different kind of sound, different tone today after the meeting. watch this. >> obviously the president won re-election. the republicans were basically unable to get any seats in the senate. more people voted for democrats in the house than republicans. why do you have any leverage whatsoever? >> there's a republican majority here in the house. the american people re-elected the republican majority. >> it's important to remember that in this case, the voters also re-elected a republican-controlled house last week. the fact is the government is organized no differently today than it was after the republican wave of 2010. >> now, listen to what they had to say today. >> tomorrow is speaker boehner's birthday. so for those of you who want -- >> i believe we're
and they knew that boehner was going to be a dealmaker with the president. so even the hard liners may have read the election returns, and i think even the hard liners don't be responsible for a tax increase. >> not only boehner, even mcconnell. let me show you this, michelle. mcconnell and boehner had a different kind of sound, different tone today after the meeting. watch this. >> obviously the president won re-election. the republicans were basically unable to get any seats in...
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john boehner was just down there at the white house on friday, it's the beginning. we want to show him if he wants to gain revenues we are more than willing to talk about closing and limiting loopholes. bill: which loophole would you close? >> we'll sit down and lay them all on the table. there are a lot of ways you can go through. we have to have reforms. what you need to do too, the structural change. you have to have structural change otherwise you're going to continue to this trillion dollar deficits sthao based on your experience in working with president obama is he willing to go for significant tax reform, change the whole problem? that would be historical. >> we will not get out of this mess without growing this economy, and the only way to do that is to have structural reform and tax reform. this isn't something that republicans have sat back on. we have passed legislation already that sets up the framework to have tax ry reform. we've passed it to take away the sequestration that he says in the debate will not happen. bee have already passed that in the ho
john boehner was just down there at the white house on friday, it's the beginning. we want to show him if he wants to gain revenues we are more than willing to talk about closing and limiting loopholes. bill: which loophole would you close? >> we'll sit down and lay them all on the table. there are a lot of ways you can go through. we have to have reforms. what you need to do too, the structural change. you have to have structural change otherwise you're going to continue to this trillion...
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and that's actually very important for speaker boehner because despite the loss that paul ryan had on a national level, he still has a considerable amount of clout within the house republican conference where a lot of folks will look towards where ryan goes. if ryan votes yes, that gives them enough cover to vote yes on a deal. >> the republican house conference seems to be operating in an alternative universe because mr. ryan told abc that the president didn't have a mandate. rather, he and his house gap gop have one. he said i think the ideas we talked about, i think they're popular ideas. did the election not happen? >> when they say they're popular ideas, they believe that -- >> that the electorate dismissed them and did not vote for them. >> but they believe that the issue of the debt is still one that they're very strong on, that people do not like to have the $16 trillion debt, that their policies are the best moving forward. but, look, martin, if anything else what you are seeing here is a very smart political ploy by speaker boehner trying not to allow what happened in august
and that's actually very important for speaker boehner because despite the loss that paul ryan had on a national level, he still has a considerable amount of clout within the house republican conference where a lot of folks will look towards where ryan goes. if ryan votes yes, that gives them enough cover to vote yes on a deal. >> the republican house conference seems to be operating in an alternative universe because mr. ryan told abc that the president didn't have a mandate. rather, he...
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. >> reporter: in the meeting, house speaker john boehner proposed leaders establish a framework in the next six weeks for wide scale reform of the tax code, medicare, and social security in 2013. the goal would be to set specific targets now for savings from those reforms. that would negate the need for steep spending cuts congress called for last year that are set to kick in on january 1, the same day the bush tax cuts are set to expire. that damaging combo has been come to be known as the fiscal cliff. while democrats often balling at any mention of entitlement reform, today nancy pelosi signaled a new openness. >> do we want to have savings from everything that we do? certainly? so we need revenue, we need savings, we need growth. >> reporter: leader pelosi said there appeared to be interest in a big deal, about four trillion dollars worth of deficit redictions along the lines of the grand bargain that fell apart wean the president and speaker boehner last year, anthony. >> mason: nancy, there are just 46 days until the new year. what can they really hope to accomplish in that time?
. >> reporter: in the meeting, house speaker john boehner proposed leaders establish a framework in the next six weeks for wide scale reform of the tax code, medicare, and social security in 2013. the goal would be to set specific targets now for savings from those reforms. that would negate the need for steep spending cuts congress called for last year that are set to kick in on january 1, the same day the bush tax cuts are set to expire. that damaging combo has been come to be known as...
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speaker boehner has said he's open to raising revenue. he has not told us or the american public exactly how he would do it. so i do think it would be useful if he would spell it out, then we would have two clear proposals on the table to compare. >> well, it's going to be a long negotiation, it seems, tough negotiation to work things through. but i know a lot of people are hopeful that a deal comes through before the amendment of the year, sir. >> yes, indeed. again, the model, the framework should be the kind of framework that bipartisan groups have come up with in the past in terms of a mix of cuts and again, we did a trillion dollars in cuts last year, but also revenue. that's the kind of balanced approach we need to take. >> allallall right. thank you for joining us. we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> friday former c.i.a. director david petraeus testified hyped closed doors on capitol hill. for some his testimony about the september 11 benghazi attack raises more questions than it answers. we'll ask two congressmen about that in a fa
speaker boehner has said he's open to raising revenue. he has not told us or the american public exactly how he would do it. so i do think it would be useful if he would spell it out, then we would have two clear proposals on the table to compare. >> well, it's going to be a long negotiation, it seems, tough negotiation to work things through. but i know a lot of people are hopeful that a deal comes through before the amendment of the year, sir. >> yes, indeed. again, the model, the...
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that's what boehner wants to do. what boehner said the day after the zbl the -- >> no, let me pick you up on that. that would be very bullish. i happen to totally agree with you. and that's exactly what speaker john boehner wants to do. that is precisely what he wants to do. essentially have tax reform and have entitlement reform and have it laid out so it it all gets done next year. this year is the down payment. >> that's right. >> now, don, is it too early, though, to make a bet on any of this? that's really what i'm asking. between now and year end, when the bush tax cuts expire at year end, what's a stock market investor to do? you're going to go up, you're going to go down. you saw today you had a is 00-point swing. but that's no way to be invested. what is your advice on how investors play this fiscal debate? >> i understand the sentiment that the wise thing to do is to take a long-term perspective. but every once in a while we experienced this in the summer of 2008. we're experiencing it again now. every once
that's what boehner wants to do. what boehner said the day after the zbl the -- >> no, let me pick you up on that. that would be very bullish. i happen to totally agree with you. and that's exactly what speaker john boehner wants to do. that is precisely what he wants to do. essentially have tax reform and have entitlement reform and have it laid out so it it all gets done next year. this year is the down payment. >> that's right. >> now, don, is it too early, though, to make...
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i hope boehner starts to attack what you perceive as their strength. it will force the democrats to stand up for more traditional what we associate with the democratic party, which is we're going to protector things like social security, medicare and we'll go further with more progressive taxation and expand social security because frankly it makes sense to do so at this point. >> cenk: the argument that paul krugman, who i come back to frequently because he has been about the only economist who has been right at every stage from pre-cataclysm through now wait a minute weynes was right. he's basically saying the social safety net is what we need to build a middle class and create the assumption and create jobs. >> we can create medicare and the government can provide less money for seniors. in the end it comes out of their kids pockets. you're basically allowing for a tremendous amount of income inequality to continue in this country, and hopefully this will push the democrats to the left. if the republicans at least nominally shed some of these more s
i hope boehner starts to attack what you perceive as their strength. it will force the democrats to stand up for more traditional what we associate with the democratic party, which is we're going to protector things like social security, medicare and we'll go further with more progressive taxation and expand social security because frankly it makes sense to do so at this point. >> cenk: the argument that paul krugman, who i come back to frequently because he has been about the only...